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Haddonfield Reacts to Bancroft Deal

Here's what folks are saying about the BOE and borough $12.19 million plan to buy the Bancroft property.

 

Tuesday's announcement of a blockbuster $12.19 million agreement for the Haddonfield school board and the borough to buy the nearly 19-acre Bancroft property on Kings Highway East was greeted with fanfare, relief and a healthy dose of skepticism.

An informal Haddonfield Patch poll published after the announcement had 76 respondents as of 5:25 a.m. on Wednesday, with 56 percent against the deal and 43 percent giving it a thumbs up. The poll is included with this story and there's still time to register your opinion.

The agreement was negotiated by one of three Haddonfield commissioners, Ed Borden, Board of Education President Steve Weinstein and representatives from Bancroft, a center for the developmentally disabled and acquired brain injures.

Here's what some officials and supporters and detractors had to say about the deal:

Ed Borden:

We wanted to take advantage of the ability the school district and the town have to be to be flexible in terms of time. If we were dealing with a private developer, they might not have that flexibility. We leveraged that for an agreement we might not have had otherwise.

It's certainly the largest parcel of property in town that's available for public use. Once real estate is developed there's no possibility of public use by the school board or the borough. We now have a chance to determine whether we want this parcel directly contiguous to the high school to be available for public use 10, 20, 100 years into the future.

Steve Weinstein:

I think we have a great opportunity. The price is as low as it's going to get. I think it provides a tremendous opportunity for the school board and the town.

The issue of the costs and its impact on taxes is a legitimate, real issue. There's an opportunity to get ground that is really needed, that if it goes in another direction will be lost forever. There's a cost attached to it and the public is going to have to decide that. It's going to be up to the school district over the next few months to describe what the need is. People have to decide that.

Here's what some Haddonfield Patch readers had to say:

Brian Kelly:

This deal, which was negotiated behind closed doors without public consent, needs full disclosure at every level. It's time for every resident to be made aware of the implications to the tax structure and debt of Haddonfield, the change to every neighborhood in the area, and what this will really mean to our historical heritage.

Do not think the price tag stops at 12 million dollars...that is only the beginning. To have a forum where all residents can have their opinions heard, go to the facebook page for Haddonfield United. Make your voices heard.

Mr B:

Once again, a sudden deal is announced. I think all of us in Haddonfield should be nervous about this. The face of our town could drastically change and not for the better if this is not handled properly and (no) matter what they do, we will all be stuck paying for it. The turf fields ridiculousness was one thing, but we all need to pay very close attention to how this deal develops and let our voices be heard during every step of the way.

Jack S.:

How is that a good use of taxpayer money, at a time when our officials can't even patch potholes? Commissioners Columbi and Kasko -- who allegedly are fiscally conservative -- need to show some backbone on this fiasco and put a stop to it, before we taxpayers (throw) them out of office permanently. Turf field aside, enough is enough!

Herb Hess:

I support the purchase. It is a unique opportunity.

This purchase represents our insurance against the threat of being consolidated into another district with larger facilities and expansion potential.

The purchase represents the opportunity for more community and open space for the Boro.

The plan to purchase provides for a (four)-year window, possibly longer, for Bancroft to relocate. Just as Bancroft needs to plan for a new future, so must Haddonfield.

We must get the full measure of benefit from our tax and fee dollars to "measurably" improve our downtown and the value of commercial properties, provide for more housing opportunities downtown that appeal to seniors and Gen Y'ers (transit, shopping, and recreation friendly). This will lead to a greater contribution to our tax base from non-school using groups.

Many will wave the tax bills in the air and say "Too much already". I'm in that same boat folks. With vision, planning, and true community involvement we can make this work to the best for Haddonfield. Let's reassess our priorities as we have over the last few years. Do we continue to pay for services that are delivered inefficiently and often ineffectively? Or do we invest our hard-earned dollars in our future while finding savings from working smarter?

What do you think? Tell us in comments.

  • Do you support the BOE and borough plan to buy the Bancroft property for $12.19 million?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        156 (47%)
    • No
        172 (51%)
    • Other, tell us in comments
        3 (0%)
    Total votes: 331
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: BOE, Bancroft, haddonfield, and public purchase

Jack S

8:29 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Clearly Commissioner Borden and Superintendent Weinstein released this plan on July 4th to ensure that the fewest number of Haddonfield residents are paying attention. Pathetic!

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Marjorie Louise Hill

11:01 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Having control over property is always better than not having control.

Of course, we need all details, but let's get the facts first, read them, understand and then make a final decision about the value of this deal.

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Ross A Webber

11:53 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

I favored the CCRC development, but I think this is a creative proposal. It puts us taxpayers to a test: Are we going to support it and keep Haddonfield as a vibrant community willing to keep pace with educational and recreational advances? Or are we going to retreat, let our facilities fall behind and lose our preeminent status as the best place to live in South Jersey? Ross A Webber

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Jim

12:12 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

What was the appraisal value complete a few years ago ordered by the commissioners that should be made to the available for the public review so we know what building and improvements assests are part of the purchase price.The assessed value was based on inflated values in 2006-2007 so the assessed value is inflated based on building and assets that need to be torned down so that cost needs to be deducted from the 12 million not added,The enviornmental costs needs to reviewed and costs determined to paid for by Bancroft before any deed transfer and deducted from the purchase price, The Borough should not inherit any enviornmental liability. I beleive the Borough should try and buy but not over pay. No private developer has not offered to buy the property since the purchase price seems to be inflated .The two parties negotiating for the town are trying to help make it work for Bancroft to relocate and build new elsewhere .The buyer value should be what the Borough can utilize for open space and new buildings not what Bancroft needs are.I anticipate that Borough will tear down all the buildings except the Histortic building located in the front of the property. The value needs to based on the vacant land minus the costs to tear down the old buildings and clean up the enviornmental costs plus the bond and interest costs.We are not competing with any private developer in this slower Real Estate market so lets not over pay for the property. Look at wet lands for value

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Jim

12:29 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Is the Borough and BOE looking for parternships with local universities to share costs and pay some tax revenue to keep the tax payers burden down.I like Ross Webber and Mr Hess comments since this an opportunity for The Borough and BOE to Grow .The Haddonfield schools are real assets to everyone in the Borough but we need to raise revenue to pay for some of the costs not just ask tax payers to pay more.The Down Town is already paying more that its fair share so additional taxes will only hurt the down town which is another Haddonfield asset .More information is needed and how more revenue can be raised by acquiring this asset !

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Jim

12:56 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

How much open space and public committed grant money will lower the overall costs to purchase the property .What are the costs of floating the bonds and interest so the tax payers know the real costs.Do we have wriiten estimates to tear down the old buildings and remove other site improvements not needed for The BOE and Borough. Ed Borden says the Borough is paying over 4 million over the inflated 12 million assessed value so the above costs and open space and grants contribution need to be identified and committed to reduce the overall costs before the tax payers can vote on the purchase of Bancroft. Any private Developer would know their costs before buying any property for redevelopment so the tax payers should have the same information before any final vote.

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Roseanna Phillips

1:13 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Does anyone remember when the property behind the library was available for expansion and the town passed it up?

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Jim

1:36 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Rose Anna the property 56 haddon ave was sold for more that 3 million never offered to the Borough.

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Bo

3:43 am on Friday, July 6, 2012

Was the around 3 million purchase price fair? Could the Borough have purchased the property, without it being offered? I assume they could have. It seems that the expansion and renovation of the library is now embarrassingly past due, and 3 million sounds like a lot less than the numbers seen here for the Bancoft deal. I just hope that the finishing of this deal also means an end to paying consultants too much money to do what, which I still don't know exactly what they did, and I'd be curious to know how much these different consultants, all cost in the end.

Jim

1:52 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

The $12 million aseessed value is for land and improvement[ old buildings ] that have no value to BOE and Borough and the Haddonfield tax payers. The BOE and the Borough are adding that cost to the $4 milion to buy and also now tearing down the old buildings.
The Tax payers are paying twice to acquire and now tear down old buildings that they can not use . That cost should be deducted from the purchase price not added in twice. Private Development does not work that way and Goverment should not work that way either.We now have the affordable housing costs to add in to the overall costs and overhead which has not been disclosed.The costs should show that added overhead costs to manage the project and land for BOE , Borough and Tax payers.That is why we need a joint partnership with other Universities to add revenue to reduce the overhead, bond ,and interest and maintenance costs.I estimate the costs to exceed over $32 million not $16 million if revenue is a not added to reduce the costs. Full Cost and added overhead Disclosure is needed !!!

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Brian Kelly

2:50 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

There are many fine ideas expressed above. What we need to do is for all the residents to respectfully debate the issue and come to a decision that will benefit our town.
As Jim said, full disclosure is needed. We also need our Commissioners to respect and serve the people who elected them.
In an article by the Philadelphia Inquire on the Bancroft sale, Commissioner Ed Borden was quoted as saying "The borough is likely to become even more expensive after the Bancroft purchase". Borden said the issue was expected to cause a property tax increase, and did not rule out the possibility that it could force out some of the town's less affluent citizens.
Go on Haddonfield United's facebook page to read the article.
As for Commissioner Borden, not everyone is able to use their political stature to land a job that pays 10 thousand dollars for 40 hours work as he did to review Collingswood's coaching situation.
Most of the the people in the town are far less affluent then Commissioner Borden, and considering it's his job to represent all the citizens in the great town of Haddonfield, it's time he started showing greater respect to the people he serves.

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Jack S

6:14 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

This notion that the purchase of the Bancroft property will lead to "educational and recreational advances" is unproven. The Bancroft property backs up to an expansive Camden County Parks system, which already affords ample opportunity for recreation. And more infrastructure does not necessarily translate into improved academic performance. There are plenty of high schools in SNJ with more infrastructure per student that are poor performers academically. Bancroft:Haddonfield::Lumberyard:Collingswood.

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Jack S

7:03 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

The earlier article on this subject references that ownership between the Borough and BOE will be based on the "funds" available for "affordable housing." So, let me get this straight, not only are Haddonfield residents expected to pony up potentially tens of thousands per household over time for the Bancroft purchase, but a portion of the property will be used for affordable housing? Talk about a pig in a poke.

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Joe Glennon

10:32 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

I support the Borough and BOE's proposal. At the very least it gives both control over the property and the future of the Borough. At best, it will add to the quality of life in town for generation after generation after generation. This is bigger than turf, than a new library, than open space. I volunteer my time to help make this purchase and future development a success. The price will be worth it, even though my family will be long gone before the first class is held in the Drexel-Haddonfield Learning Center or the the first pitch is thrown at Dick and Rawley Eastwick Field.

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Jack S

8:30 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

Joe,
I assume you will be the first to line up to make a substantial donation (i.e., at least tens of thousands) to the general fund for the project, before you exit Haddonfield stage left? BTW: How many baseball fields do we truly need in and around Haddonfield before we all scream "uncle"? Why not simply rename one of the myriad existing fields for the Eastwicks and save the millions.

Maryann Campling

8:40 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012

Did Borden really allude to the "less affluent residents" possibly having to move because of the increase to the already crushing taxes we pay?! What arrogance. And what about those of us who love this town for reasons other than sports and education. As for H-field being the premiere place to live....sure, it is a lovely town, but it will NEVER be Greenwich, or Grosse Point Park, or the Philly Main Line, etc. It is, however, becoming a two-tiered community...and we should be ashamed of ourselves for promoting that kind of bias.

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Brian Kelly

1:45 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012

Marryann, You make an excellent point that most people don't take into account. Although every town has a responsibility to provide the best education it can for its children, that's not its sole existence, especially in a unique town like Haddonfield that has such profound historical roots.
There are citizens who have already raised their children, paid their dues and want to live here always. We have everyone from senior citizens, college students and single working people who are just as important as our hardworking families.
The idea that all the residents should have to burden substantial tax increases to build a sports complex costing tens of millions is irresponsible. How about taking proper care of the fields all over town? Don't want your kids injured? Maintain the fields. They do it in other townships.
If the whole idea behind the Bancroft purchase was aimed fully towards academics, maybe more people would be on board. But to talk about buying Bancroft and building a sports complex that would actually force the less affluent citizens out of the town they love is unconscionable. Personal wealth is not a measure to the importance of a citizen.
Lastly, I urge everyone to re read Jim Rhoads comments, especially his point of Bancroft real estate value based on 2006- 2007 estimates.
If Bancroft could have gotten 12 million from a private developer they would have done it in a second.

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Johnny Rotten

12:45 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Regarding selling to a private developer, correct me if I am wrong but hasn't the refusal of zoning plans by the township prohibited Bancroft from doing that exactly that? If those proposals has been accepted, it would have opened the door for Bancroft to solicit private developer bids, which then would have gone towards low income housing.

Now, it seems to me three things can happen: Accept previous zoning proposals whereupon Bancroft than solicits bids towards the development of low income housing (seems the town can't get around developing new land without it now, and seems likely the township can be/will be sued for this deal for avoiding just that); go forward with this proposal (which I am sure appraisal is in line with recent property decreases, or you can roll dice Bancroft can sell it for a penny more to a private developer) which has thus far seems to be most beneficial one we have heard in the five years of debate over the land; or the last option, as it's been said by their President in other articles 'we gave it our best shot' and they begin a massive redevelopment of the land they currently sit on and Bancroft remains part of our community.

I think proposing new ideas, and trying to ask Bancroft to bide more time in those aging facilities, is of the past (they are currently rebuilding on one or two other tracts of land I heard). Are we willing to pay more to control the right to a vast tract of land in Haddonfield, or are we content with their rebuild?

Jim

10:20 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012

Opportunity cost :If a private Development with a high end class A office or medical wellness or assisted living space could generate more that $88 million of tax revenue [ based on current tax assessement with a 5% annual increase over 20 years.That tax revenue could be reduce with a pilot program to reduce that tax to encourage private development .The property could generate more money for the town and under the pilot program more that $ 60 million could pay down debt, pay for road and water and sewer improvemens for the next 20 years, We all know by driving in the Borough the roads need to repaved and re constructed. The lost opportunity is the 3 Borough Commissioner and BOE want to pay for what a private development would DONATE for FREE a additional field and share some parking with the High School at no cost to the Borough.The trade off the Borough would permit the zoning fo the various types of Development that borough citizens need and would not have to pay over $120 million of cost and lost tax revenue of the next 20 years. Lower taxes no debt, fix the roads and old infra structure and obtain the additional sports field, for FREE .All this plus the added value that private Development would bring to Borough tax ratables and quality of life in the Borough of Haddonfield. Vote NO for bigger government spending and higher taxes ! Do not allow the Borough Government and BOE to drive up debt , taxes and lose future tax revenue !

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Jim

7:52 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Opportunity cost: that added of tax revenue taken in account of added value on the land and building improvement that private development would make.The higher tax assessment negotiated with additional taxes that a tax pilot would be over 20-25 years.The high tax assessment would be maybe 10 times the value that is now located on the property with new developlement of class A office campus or assisted liviing or well ness medical office campus.The bottom line the added value will be several times what the sports or open space lack of tax revenue would bring to the Borough.The additional revenue and economic activity would be jobs for construction, building materials, landscaping, engineeering and other related activites for this re development.The permanent jobs and added tax ratables would be welcome to 100% of the tax payers not just the surrounding few neighbors.The local added value would be for the surrounding area of having a world class development would help the Borough attract other businesses to the Town center.

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Johnny Rotten

12:55 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

I agree with tax ratables, and the land assumambly is being bought 'low', and the increased value development could bring to the township; but these proposals have already been rejected. Bancroft is a tax free entity, and so would be any open space.

And maybe we can look back in hindsight and say that would be the most beneficial option, but that has been taken off the table several times. This the offer on the table now, do we take it. If Haddonfield purchases the land now, it's still going to take several years before Bancroft moves, the land may very well have appreciated value allowing the township to turn value on the land if private development is the course decided. But I think we should acquire the land first, no?

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Jack S

11:50 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Johnny Rotten,

Everything you've written below is speculation. We've seen where real estate speculation has gotten the U.S. during recent years. Let's not speculate and let private investors take all the risk. If Haddonfield reasonably enforces its zoning laws, we'll be no worse off than we are with Bancroft today.

Taxpayer

6:45 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

If land is acquired by borough using grants, it can't be sold for later development. The HD CCRC was taken off the table. Other options, as long as consistent with the Master Plan, remain. The rumor is that no developers have thought the land with its $2 million COAH obligations is worth even $8-10 million.

Our high school's rankings give our properties their value. Those rankings are entirely based on academic achievements. The costs of maintaining new land will divert funds from job #1 for the district, which is maintaining and improving teaching and learning. Many parents pay heavily for tutors for a reason!

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Taxpayer

7:31 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Don't forget that property that is owned by the district can be developed by the district without any control by the borough Planning Board. They can even sell it later like they proposed to do with Radnor Field. The district only needs approval of the state Dept of Ed. Planning Board gets only a nonbinding courtesy review.

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Taxpayer

7:36 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

And acquisiton of more property by BOE will divert funds from obvious and not so obvious maintenance and repair needs. Just look at that peeling cupola on the high school. It's the tip of the iceberg. If they can't maintain the grass fields they own now, they won't be able to maintain artificial turf. It takes a lot of work and if they don't do it right, the manufacturer won't honor the warranty.

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Jim

10:10 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

The borough lacks the manpower to maintain common areas faclities now,What monies are in the additional budget to maintain the 20 +- acreage.Sell for private development and obtain a sport field for free and have a tax ratable that will give more monies to make other capital improvements in the Borough.The borough and most government enities have no experience in development and their cost at union wages cost 3- 10 times more than private developers pay for building and capital improvements. Vote to stop the BOE and Borough from over paying and becoming developers in kind.

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Brian Kelly

12:34 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Jim, As you stated before, the price for Bancroft is over inflated in the first place. Bancroft might just be the major player in this deal, as they have fired people who haven't been able to close the deal for them. Exactly how much of Haddonfield's interest is really being looked out for by the Borough and the BOE? I will say It always made sense to me that Steve Weinstein is handling so much of this deal. His credentials are far more suited for this kind of thing than they ever were for education. One observation I've always had. Why does the town with the highest taxes in south jersey lack the manpower to maintain common areas?
The elected officials of Haddonfield are letting the town crumble before our eyes while they do the only thing they know how to do...spend more money to saddle the town with crippling debt while the infrastructure falls apart.
When you look at the bonds floated to repair the schools and look at the condition of them you have to ask yourself, where exactly did that money go? How was it spent? After nearly 60 years, these elected officials have been the worst in terms of management and fiscal responsibility I've ever seen.
I repeat, where is all this taxpayer money going?

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