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Poll: Is Philly to NYC in 37 Minutes Worth $151B?

Amtrak's plan for the Northeast Corridor could take you from Philadelphia to New York in 37 minutes. Is it worth the project's $151 billion price tag?

 

Amtrak’s latest East Coast high-speed train plan could get you from Philadelphia to New York in 37 minutes, according to Philly.com.

The faster service is part of a major plan, according to Philly.com, that would:

  • Create 40,000 construction jobs a year for 25 years
  • Create 22,000 new permanent jobs
  • Be completed in phases, ending in 2040
  • Accommodate trains traveling 220 mph
  • Expand Market East station in Philadelphia
  • Send bullet trains through tunnels under Philadelphia
  • Cost $151 billion

What do you think? Is this worth it the money?

  • Is a train that can get you from Philadelphia to New York in 37 minutes worth $151 billion?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        217 (68%)
    • No
        100 (31%)
    Total votes: 317
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Amtrak, Northeast Corridor, Philadelphia to New York, and high-speed train

Paul J. DiBartolo

8:03 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

The bigger question is, who's paying for it? Ever wonder why automobiles are so much more popular and eclipsed trains? They have steering wheels.

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ymbdfa

10:08 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

NaPauleon says cars “have steering wheels”....big observation!!! You get an "A" for the day! The “A” probably doesn’t stand for what you think though. NaPauleon those type ideologies and comments have keep America in the dark ages of public transportation.

By the way NaPauleon my 5 year olds Barbie car has a steering wheel, it only cost $70 and doesn’t even use gas but I certainly would not want to drive that to New York, would you?

Just a hint for you maybe just maybe cars surpassed trains and main transportation because “CARS DID NOT EXHIST IN THE 1800’s,” when trains where so popular because people would rather have the convenience of “FASTER” transportation then their horse or feet in most cases. FYI NaPauleon an air plane does not have a “Steering Wheel” should we all avoid using them too? Maybe you should write a new fictitious blog on how people should only use transportation that has “steering wheels” since people want “steering wheels” in their transportation.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

11:47 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I didn't expect you to understand my comment and I was not disappointed.
Wow, YAMMBY, instead of throwing away $70 on a Barbie car that you now find you can't drive (surprise, surprise), you should've spent the money on a good dictionary or maybe a spell/grammar checker for your computer. You are truly a wonder of all that's right and good with a Gloucester Township 'publik-skooled' education. Maybe you should get one of your masters to spell check your stuff before you go public and make a complete A$$ of yourself.
BTW, the article concerned the cost of the train which was what my comment was about. Focus like a laser-beam next time and try to stay on topic.

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ymbdfa

1:23 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

WOW NaPauleon, I guess in your perfect world nobody ever has a typo. Talk about having laser beam vision if the best you could do to discredit me was to point out that children should not have toys, in your opinion and that I made a typo...I PROVED MY POINT. You are pathetic.

On another note, I do find it telling that you believe children should not have toys or that anyone who buys them toys is throwing away their money. How absurd can you be? I feel bad for your children.

Hey Paul the trains would save us billions of dollars but then again if we used more trains how would George Bush would peddle his oil? Can't have that now can we? Gotta keep Big Oil George Bush and the Koch Bro rich so they can have people to steel tax breaks from right? The heck with public transportation after all it uses the word public so it must be bad, right? You are pathetic.

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Bull Pitt

1:49 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Paul, I do find it funny that you jump all over ymbdfa for typos and grammar, when your first comment is only three sentences long and you messed up the most important word. ("and"... I believe you meant "than", correct?) people who live in glass houses........well, you know the rest.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

6:56 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Nice try, Pit Bull, you just showed your lack of understanding of anything higher than 7th grade English. The sentence stands as written, "Ever wonder why automobiles are so much more popular ("than" is understood by the context) and eclipsed trains ("as our major mode of transportation" - again, understood by context)? Keep up the good work though, it looks like you've got YAMMBY as a fan for life because you criticized me.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

7:00 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

If I thought you'd understand any part of my explanation as to why trains will never work in America as a valid form of transportation, I'd give it a shot. Given the target, YAMMBY, I'd just be shooting in the dark. They say 'ignorance is bliss;' you must have been the poster child for that one.

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wolf

7:34 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

The reason they are more popular (although arguably declining) is due to the cheap gas we enjoyed for many, many years. Compare that to overseas where gas is much more expensive, you will find that train/public transport is much more prevalent, as well as bicycles. Until recently, we haven't been forced to live that lifestyle...

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Paul J. DiBartolo

7:51 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I live in Gloucester Township and work in Moorestown, NJ, for one of the largest employers in the region. Does anybody know how one would get from GT to Morrestown and back at the end of the day and still maintain a family life? Public transit is great from Point A to Point B, anything else becomes, well...you figure it out.

Gary B

9:09 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I'd dearly love to get to lower Manhattan in under and hour. So long as Amtrak is doing the project the correct way, using their money to finance it, I'm all for it.

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bobnj1

10:09 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Who's paying for it? Are you serious? If it is a federal grant, it is OUR tax money. If somehow they can finance this with bonds, it will again be OUR tax money AND OUR increased ticket prices. Plus, if you believe the cost won't rise from $151 Billion, you haven't been following EVERY federally-funded project.

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Ric

10:34 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012

The question is poorly put together. The 151 billion is for redevelopment of the entire Northeast Corridor and not just NYC to Philly. And yes the entire project is worth it. There is limited amont of airspace. How many more airports can NYC take? What about Philly and D.C.?

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Seth

12:15 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Sadly, we've been spending this money bombing places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, instead of upgrading our own infrastructure.

Is it worth is? 100% it is.

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ymbdfa

1:27 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

WOW NaPauleon seems your two biggest supporters just stabbed you in the back and agreed with me. "Eh Tu Brute"?

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Billy Pilgrim

3:06 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

$151 M to upgrade and maintain the entire NE Corridor would be worth it. I would be more for it if the ticket prices were to come down a lot. I love taking the train to NYC and DC, but the prices are generally outrageous. Most of the time it is cheaper to fly. The reduced hassle factor at the station combined with the fact that you can stay connected while on the train makes it a great way to commute. So upgrading would be just a natural part of maintaining our infrastructure. Though, I'm always confused as to how Amtrak lies in a middle ground between a public and private entity.

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ymbdfa

7:13 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Billy that is because Patch allows anyone to post anything without fact checking. Just read NaPauleons comments, and blogs. No further proof is needed.

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wolf

7:28 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Considering the time it takes now to get from Philly to NY and the cost per ticket, I would like to see how much cost benefit there is in the money spent here. I would rather see an overall improvement to the transit system with better/cleaner/increased access across the region versus appeasing the riders to NYC.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

7:47 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Exactly, and thank you, wolf. I think it would be safe to say that people who work in NYC and its environs already earn a higher wage than most so exactly why should I be tapped to make their access to their jobs easier?

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Billy Pilgrim

7:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

I think that's what most of us want. To make sure that for that cost, we get a good product. Paul, I'm not sure I completely agree with the stance that since we don't use it much we shouldn't help with the cost. I don't drive on Interstate 15 all that much, but I do think that the government has an obligation to maintain it. Similarly, having a properly maintained train system in the most densely populated portion of the country is something that I think is a good use of our money. It's tax money spent domestically and the results will be empirical.

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Ric

11:52 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Wolf, they are proposing to upgrade the whole Northeast Corridor with the 151 billion. Philadelphia is just a stop on the route. You need to look at the whole project, Philadelphia is just one stop.

Paul J. DiBartolo

7:56 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

When talking about funding Amtrak with public money we need to take a broad poll to see if the average American citizen is getting his/her money's worth. Let's start in Gloucester Township and find out home many times in the last year the average GT citizen used Amtrak. Then we might get more specific and find out how many times that same person used the particular route in question.

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luis cabrera

8:38 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Who's going to pay for it ,,,,,,, not the tax payers I hope ,,,,

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JustALocalGuy

1:02 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Everything the government does is funded by taxpayers, by definition. Who else do you think would pay?

luis cabrera

8:41 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Right now it cost upwards of $155.00 one way for 2 1/2 hours from Philly to N.Y. wonder how much more is going to cost ???

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agent itchy

10:11 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

small minds = small ideas = small progress

-Four million people have been added to NJ's population since 1950 yet most roads are still two or three lanes. Common sense dictates we get people out of cars and off roads.

-7,350 riders take the RiverLine between Camden & Trenton. Imaging those people on Rt 130/295.

-Thousand of people will never make the same daily commute as Mr DiBartolo but they do virtually 24/7 in and out of NY and Philly. Add in Boston and DC and to NOT do this project would be beyond stupid.

-Re: Money. Bush & Obama both practice Keynesian theory. When cash changes hands the economy heats up. Maybe if we didn't piss away 2 trillion on unnecessary wars we wouldn't be worried about it.

I support this project and I supported the ARC Tunnel.

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JustALocalGuy

1:02 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

"small minds = small ideas = small progress"

Translation: If you disagree with me you are stupid.

JustALocalGuy

10:34 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Sounds like a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. Most of us will never see any benefit from this train project. High-speed rail is just another gigantic government boondoggle.

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Schu

11:51 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012

Like all Government feel good projects, the unions will get involved and the cost will skyrocket to out of control levels, all the while the system will lose money making it" too big to fail" meaning subsidies will be used to keep it operating.

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Bull Pitt

1:02 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Hey Paul, I guess Morrestown is understood by context as well. Nice try. Again, practice what you preach.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:42 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Okay, Pit, that was a typo...one. Try reading anything that YAMMBY writes...in fact, why not do a grammar and spelling critique on one of her posts. No worries though because you've got a friend for life in YAMMBY so don't cross her now.
So, do you know the difference between a spelling typo or error and something that is implied and therefore understood by context? BTW, I admitted my spelling typo but I'm wondering when you will acknowledge your original critique of my first post was off base. I don't imagine I will see that forthcoming because you're not that interested in addressing the facts.
Seriously though, Pit, if you disagree with me, make your point...just the facts. If all you can come up with is that I made one typo on Moorestown you really don't have much to say, do you?

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Bull Pitt

12:58 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

No problem Paul. I have no idea who Yammby is, but apparently you might since you say "she". Also, I still disagree with your first comment and your "understood context". As far as the train is concerned, hey, what's a $151 billion these days. Chump change. 37 minutes is great. Works for me.

Dan Reynolds

7:55 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

High Speed rail makes a lot of sense to people who have to travel quickly.

When fuel/gasoline hits all time highs 10 years from now, and the widening project on the NJTPK does not help the 5pm "traffic stop" between exits 10-7, and air travel requires a full body cavity search..

High speed rail is going to look pretty tempting..

We (my family) use the River line often to NYC. FAR easier and much less hassle then driving a car or taking a bus.

I'm a fan of public infrastructure projects. Puts people to work, gives a lasting public use item when work is completed.

The fact that the US does not have a world-class high-speed rail system is laughable.

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agent itchy

8:12 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

To the folks who don't see a direct benefit ask yourself if you would have supported Hoover Dam, the Interstate highway or NASA. We all benefit when we undertake these federal projects. You don't live in a vacuum.

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Porterincollingswood

8:54 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Or massive subsidies for airports, highways, and airlines. Most of which will only be used by a select set of people.

As for the train, it'll never happen because the airlines will lobby against it. But fossil-fueled cheap air travel is coming to an end, so you might want to think of a "plan b". As usual, we'll wait and end up with an expensive, last minute, stop-gap solution that costs taxpayers more than it would have originally cost to head off the problem.

I don't think the idea of a DC-Boston train should be viewed as a pure "business" endeavor, just because that's how it's used now. With tele-commuting and conferencing it's probably less needed than it used to be for that sector.

JustALocalGuy

9:07 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

Look around the country at the other high-speed rail projects, like those in California and Florida. They are all over budget and out of schedule. What sort of magical thinking makes people here think that *another* high-speed rail project will be any different?

Also, comparing a rail project to NASA is pretty laughable.

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Porterincollingswood

9:44 am on Monday, July 16, 2012

They never started Florida, did they? They turned down the funds because someone wanted to win an election. Not that it was a bad decision anyway, let Disney build its own railroad. I mean, high speed rail to Orlando? Seriously?

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agent itchy

2:20 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

It's NOT laughable. The United States is just that. UNITED!

When they rebuilt levies in New Orleans with my tax dollars I supported it because it's good for the entire country.

When they repair a road in Yosemite, I support it. When they launch another satellite I support it.

The far right like to think the world revolves around their own visual line of sight. You're supposed to be patriotic yet you only care about what directly affects you.

Keep UNITED in United States

John M Walker

11:25 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

While I grew in in South Jersey (Camden + Cinnaminson) I've spent most of my adult life in Europe, and the last three-and-a-half years with the Swiss Railroad leading procurement and infrastructure manufacturing (our national rail system is called the SBB).

IMHO the challenge in the 'States is not the 151 BUSD, it's the "start-stop-start-stop" mindset about what must be done, by whom, and when would it be feasible. Then the neglected investments one wants to correct in a gargantuan (unworkable) project.

That's why we tend to have longer-term, multi-year, stabler investment plans which we bundle and from which we secure parliamentary approval - and funding - in advance.

From year-to-year we increase these investments (we have the busiest rail network in the world but still the most punctual, the most efficient and I would say the cleanest) but if properly planned all of this is digestible.

In any event, deficit spending is a no-no, as it should be "back home."

"Beste Grüsse" from St Gallen, Switzerland

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