If the Browns had ANY kind of QB play, they'd have won.

Last year they blamed a slow start and sloppy play on not having OTA's. What's the excuse now? Vick looks fundamentally un-sound. Throwing across your body late into the middle of the field? That's Pop Warner stuff.

What troubles me is that, if a team like the Giants or Ravens won a game like this in such fashion, the post-game interviews would be full of angry and embarrassed players disgusted with the performance. With the Eagles, they acted like they gutted it out and overcame a tough and gritty opponent - it was like they won a playoff game. The attitude stinks.

But I agree that the defense looked good, aside from the slant being open every play.

Grant it Vick is not a nor ever will be a capable NFL qb, but I am a fair guy and will give credit where credit is due. Vick was terrible for most of the game. He was under pressure. He made some horrific decisions (as usual). And Reid once again was a more formidable opponent to himself than an actual opponent across the sideline....and with all that, Vick still hung in there and did what he was supposed to do; Use the last drive in a tight game to score and get the job done.

For many, ~many~ years we as fans knew how this game would have turned out, with a loss. We knew the predicable ending. Another squandered 4th quarter loss. We fans would have blamed Andy for too many pass calls, a shoddy O line, poor (or lack thereof) game changes, dropped balls and such goes the list ...Why?...all to give a pass to Chunky. For some odd baffling and baseless reason the fan base obfuscated McNabb of any responsibility for him single handily and repeatably losing games in the 4th quarter and on last attempted drives. For to long we have looked foolish in defending the foolery of a quarterback who was disinterested in winning.

So with a little retrospect, I am for once relieved that there is a quarterback here who did his job, kept focus and got the win. ....It's refreshing not having to carry a spare blown out tire to the racetrack.

SIR, WE KNOW UGLY HERE IN TENNESSEE.....AND THAT WAS PRETTY UGLY EVEN BY OUR STANDARDS!!!

I second the comments of JD fro TN. It was an ugly win! Very difficult game to watch.
My feeling is that the game with the Ravens won't even be close of the eagles are penalized every time they make any yardage on offense.
I also believe more fervently than ever that the old adage is true: "You can't teach an old dog new tricks", (no pun intended).

On an unrelated note but hysterical nonetheless ;) lol http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?list=UU8C8WuWSsFjWFaTHcUQeQxA&feature=share&v=DoTEyxcxHuU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDoTEyxcxHuU%26feature%3Dshare%26list%3DUU8C8WuWSsFjWFaTHcUQeQxA&gl=US

Well, we won't have Jaiquwan Jarrett to kick around anymore.

Porter, agreed, winning in the trenches was good to see. The D will be fine against the Ravens, the issue is with our QB

Sean, I agree, although I thought safeties played very well, however, they don't play the Browns every week so QB pressure is always hugely important.

Also, Sean, way to twist the early knife in the Giants backs!

Wow, just saw they released Jarrett. 2nd round pick down the tubes. At least our starting safeties looked good on Sunday.

Yeah they released Jarrett. This is something that has long been a problem but not often talked about. Of the 13 prospects taken by the Eagles in the '10 and 11 drafts, six are no longer with the team, and three of those six were picked in the first four rounds. That said Gary B you are a wonder, what psychological condition might you have to write that dribble above and in your round about way bash Donovan again. If that comment isn't totally irrelevant, then I don't know what is. I think we can all agree that Vick played poorly, the o-line played poorly and Andy/Marty called a poor game. Thankfully all on the offensive unit played well enough for just enough time to get the win. Gary please stick to doing what you do best here, keeping your lips pursed and close to Mike's butt. Now I think that was, "well said."

Mikey what does Donovan have to do with anything, is what I am saying. Nothing personal just stating the obvious.

You don't think that the O-line played poorly for most if not all of the first half, wherein they had how many penalties and many times Mike looked like he was seconds away from taking the knockout hit.

And Mikey, if you look back on Gary B's posts you'll see who started such, along with the inappropriate comments by the Giants fans about restraining orders, and insinuating criminal behavior by myself. Which were said without me even interacting with them. Then Gary came back out of no-where to pile on, and again make an irrelevant McNabb comment, but really a jab at me for some reason. We weren't even discussing Donovan. I said something inappropriate for this forum, about you 'smoking' something, and I apologized for these comments. I'll now apologize to Gary B, and hope we can move forward, and our interactions improve here and the Eagles improve in time for the Ravens game.

Mike Vick is a freakish talent who dazzles crowds by launching laser beams with a flick of his wrist and narrowly escaping the clutches of defenders with the speed and agility of a pinball. However, he is mistake-prone- always has been, always will be. He is the magician who pulls a rabbit from a hat, only to carelessly lob it into a pack of hounds moments later. If the Eagles are going to make a run with Mike Vick, Andy Reid has to recognize his weaknesses and help accentuate his strengths fact by tailoring the offense to his personnel instead of the other way around. This may seem obvious but after watching a rusty quarterback drop back 56 times in Week 1, apparently it is not. Loved the D who played with confidence and cohesion unlike most of last year. Nice job by Akeem (Don't call me Hakeem) Jordan who made some real nice plays on Special Teams. GO BIRDS!!!!!! OVERRAVENED.....OVERRAVENED...OVERRAVENED

If they blew out the Browns wouldn't you all be saying "yeah but it was against the Browns, let's see what they do against the Ravens". They won. Yeah Vick makes you nervous but he is what he is. He may turn it aroudn this week. we'll see. On a side note, I listened to some of the game on the radio and Meryle Reese was complaining about the replacement refs. He had some great lines about them too. But then as I watched the last 10 mins on TV those announcers said how good they did. Which was it?

Porter, they do have to run the ball more. Let's look at Marty too since he calls the plays, right?

Sean, better to cut him now and give his spot to someone who's earned it. Wasted draft pick, but better not to compound it and keep him around just because they drafted him.

Joselio is a Raider and they're lucky to have him- he's a solid player. I don't know that he was active Monday night since he had just gotten there, but not positive.

The replacement refs are no better or worse than the regular a-holes flinging their yellow panties all over the field. They are certainly not a confident bunch which does not help their credibility but given a few weeks they'll be fine.

I can't agree Larry. I don't like the regular guys, but these refs are comical. They allowed Seattle to take a FOURTH timeout towards end of game against Ariz. It could've affected the outcome, but luckily, did not. Have you noticed the games are longer this year? It's because of all the confusion and uncertainty of the officials.

I noticed the Eagles game ended about an hour later than the rest of the early games but that was about it. A few growing pains are to be expected early on but many of the borderline calls getting magnified by the media are the same questionable calls made every year. The silver lining in this whole process is the increased accountability between the league and its officials. Officiating in the NFL is a privilege not a right. Unlike running a 4.5 40 or throwing a football 75 yards, officiating is a skill that can be learned. Hold strong Roger.

What a bizzare stance to take, backing the replacement officials. That's what makes Larry unique I guess. Officiating is neither a right nor a privilege- it's a job. I don't generally support collective bargaining, but in this case, just get it done. I don't want one of these bozo arena league officials effecting any outcomes.

Not to pile on, but the officials just spotted the ball on the wrong 47 yard line- yikes!

With all due respect Mr. O'Doyle NFL refs are the only part time refs. It will take longer for thise replacement officials to come up to speed. Just give the refs the raise they want since the NFL is making hand over fist money and growing exponentially. Basically just take care of your employees. The 9th paragraph of this is pretty good
http://www.thebestsportsblog.com/breaking-down-the-nfl-referee-lockout.html

It's a difficult situation because there are only 17 weeks of games, plus playoffs, so they can't really be full time- what would they do the rest of the time?

It seems there are 119 NFL officials. Their salary ranges from $25k-$70,000/yr depending on position and seniority. Working 2 days/wk, (including travel) 17 weeks (paid extra for postseason) a year is hard to complain about. This is after the 2001 lockout, when they received an immediate 50% pay raise and a raise each year. They also get a pension. That is the issue driving this lockout- NFL wants to freeze pension at a certain level. I tend to agree with Phil that the NFL makes so much money, they should pay these guys. After doing some research, I think they already are. That kind of money and a pension for that little amount of work is enough in my opinion.

My mistake. The numbers I gave were for before the last CBA. Now they make $78k/yr to start and $120k/yr for a 10 year vet, plus postseason pay, plus a pension. Enough is enough. Of course NFL officials make less than other sports because they all have full time careers whereas other official are full-time simply because of the number of games so it's their only source of income- pretty simple.

very informative did not know that. You swayed me. Nice work

It swayed me too.

Mike, I 100% was on the same page with you until someone brought up an interesting point. The NFL's rationale for hiring highly paid professionals in prominent private sector positions (lawyers, C-level execs, etc) and then paying them handsomely for a part-time gig had nothing to do with generosity. It was to prevent a scenario where a ref could be temped to fix games for money.

Ed Hochuli is a partner in an Arizona law firm. He does very well financially. He has a reputation and a license to practice law that he wouldn't put at risk to make a quick score on a game. He's fraud-proof.

The guy who was last reffing in the lingerie football league? You'd have to admit he'd be infinitely more tempted by that offer.

Just something to ponder.

Yeah, but that's still pretty far-fetched. These guys have reffed at a pretty high level so probably have some degree of integrity. Also, many of them are probably trying to parlay this opportunity to a future NFL officiating position. They probably also want to stay out of jail. Something to think about, but I think it's a pretty remote possibility.

Roger Goodell would personally hand-castrate any official foolish enough to try and compromise the integrity of the game for personal profit. Very informative posts by everyone which only further solidify my concrete stance in the corner of the replacement officials. Just can't stomach a strike by wealthy men (mostly white) hagglIng over the six-figure salary of their highly prestigious part-time jobs. Throw a flag on them for Unnecessary Lack of Gratitude and tack on 15 more for being out of touch with the oppressive economic climate millions of Americans slog through everyday just to put food on the table. GO BIRDS!

True, Donaghy did shave points- that story didn't blow up nearly as much as it could have. Porter, I was saying I thought it was still remote for a replacement guy to fix a game. Even if 1 guy could do it which is questionable, it almost wouldn't be worth it. Why risk going to jail and blowing such a sweet gig- 6 figures for 17 days of work?

Good post Larry, but who the F cares if they're white or not? I know you're siding with the NFL, a league laboring to even field teams in this tough economic climate, but stay on point a little. And though I think these refs suck, the real officials seem to be to blame for this work-stoppage so I largely agree with you.

Judging from your history, all NFL officials suck and they all share the same hidden agenda- to sabotage the Philadelphia Eagles. The league needs the greatest players in the world and billionaire ownership to stay on top, the officials need the NFL to even exist. Go vanish back into obscurity Hochuli. Anyway, Huuuuuuuuuge game today- GO BIRDS!!!!!!

Larry, you're criticizing me for not liking officials, then reiterating your stance that you don't like officials? Who does like officials? They made and missed an equal number of penalties on both sides today- that's all I ask. The real guys are asking for too much but these replacements are a joke. They can't even spot the ball right- another 4 1/2 hour Eagles game today. Who cares? GREAT game- recap Tuesday.

You are "pro" in writing. Great assessment!