Haddonfield Commissioners Scheduled to Discuss Bancroft Purchase

Here's a quick look at today's work-session agenda.

A discussion about the pending Bancroft public purchase is at the top of the agenda for the borough Board of Commissioner's work session at 4 p.m. today at the Municipal Hall.

The borough and school board are backing a January bond referendum to spend up to on Kings Highway East next to Haddonfield Memorial High School.

The Bancroft discussion may be in a non-public, executive session. The board went into executive session at its last work-session meeting to discuss Bancroft.

Other agenda items include a discussion with the Shade Tree Commission on an urban forestry plan and borough health benefits.

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Jeff H December 03, 2012 at 08:01 PM
WHAT IS SO SECRET? Why the non-public meeting? Tax and spend our way to bigger government, with larger and larger tax bills in order to fullfill the vision of a select few. Has anyone read a business plan that explains the justification and outlines the FUTURE costs of this project? If one exists please share a link!
Jim December 03, 2012 at 08:26 PM
should be a public meeting to spend 12 millions
Brian Kelly December 03, 2012 at 08:45 PM
One thing I hope is addressed is future turf costs and repairs and who is responsible for it, the Borough or the BoE? When addressing the Commissioners, I asked what's going to happen to the 4th of July fireworks. They told me to ask Steve Weinstein as it was a BoE matter. Upon asking Mr. Weinstein he declined to answer as it was back into borough hands. It's troubling to me our highest elected officials couldn't give me an answer. As the turf fields will probably go under BoE jurisdiction they'll be responsible for repair and replacement. Anniversary Field recently had toppled trees that would have destroyed any installed turf and the wisdom of installing it among a setting of huge trees is extremely suspect. Since I can't get an answer from our officials concerning the 4th of July fireworks let me give you one. You can't have an artificial turf field filled with folks end to end for the next 8 years without serious consequences. You can't shoot fireworks on fields made of plastic when a stray ash will melt any plastic. Any damages under these circumstances will be payed for by tax dollars. As the Commissioners and BoE played runaround with these questions I got my answer. The 1.2 million for a turf field on the referendum is something the residents need to pay attention to. It's been hinted at if that money isn't used for turf it will be returned to the taxpayers or used "elsewhere" on the referendum. I can assure you, if it's not turf it's "elsewhere".
PJ December 04, 2012 at 02:04 AM
Since when are school boards responsible for open space?
Maryann Campling December 04, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Aren't "non public, executive sessions" in violation of OPRA laws? I would like to have been a fly on the wall in that session. I also question the BOE's involvement in open space matters....thought that was the Boro's responsibility?
Roland W December 04, 2012 at 01:38 PM
More non public executive sessions. What else do you expect? Just trying to figure another way to repackage the message so they can stick it to us. I'll believe these guys if they give some of that 5 million we're overpaying to buy Bancroft.
Joe Taxpayer December 04, 2012 at 01:42 PM
Aren't executive sessions by definition non public and for matters that contain sensitive material such as personnel issues, contract negotiations or things like that? Minutes are kept so you can read about what was discussed and I also believe that they have to tell the public why they are going into executive session by resolution so why do you keep trying to inflame the discussion with these petty attacks? Maryann - I think you meant OPMA. OPRA is for info requests. Brian - wouldn't the damages you referred to also apply to any grass field, stands, irrigation or track surface and would need to be fixed too or would only a turf field that is never out of service due to rain or overuse apply? I was up at Princeton U over the weekend and really enjoyed their new artificial turf field complex. Do you think they don't know what they are doing? Here's a picture http://www.fieldturf.com/en/featured-installations/princeton-university-1952-stadium Re the trees. The solution is to get rid of the old and damaged trees because if they can fall as you mentioned, then they are already a public safety hazard and could fall on some kids or spectators as we write. Thanks for bringing that up because now the boro is on notice that a resident has notified them of a public safety hazard and the law requires immediate action to rectify the hazard or they could lose immunity under Title 59 if something happens now.
Joe Taxpayer December 04, 2012 at 02:17 PM
Jeff H, just curious how does investing in a capital purchase lead the way to bigger government? Don't get me wrong, I am all against big govt and things like Obamacare and expansion of the entitlement programs and paying more for public workers pensions and healthcare but investing in infrastructure isn't making gov't bigger necessarily. You could make the same point for road repairs right? They are tax and spending but again not sure they make for big gov't.
Jeff H December 04, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Joe Taxpayer December 05, 2012 at 03:51 AM
Are you saying that public meetings don't require minute taking or that our guys don't follow the law and keep and/or post them? have you OPRA requested them? That's a pretty strong accusation but if true, let's storm the castle!! The act requires that all public bodies take minutes of meetings including the time and location of the meeting, members present, topics discussed and members votes. The minutes of the meeting must also include note of the efforts made to post notice to the public. aren't these the minutes? http://www.haddonfieldnj.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/barbr44/artman/exec/search.cgi http://www.sunshinereview.org/index.php/New_Jersey_Open_Public_Meetings_Act Re trees. If the boro is aware of the dangerous tree issue and has failed to correct it, they have no immunity! Shame on them if true. Doesn't mean they are not right to buy Bancroft or put in turf fields. Even the blind squirrel gets a nut except from damaged and dying dangerous trees.
Joe Taxpayer December 05, 2012 at 01:55 PM
http://haddonfieldnj.org/pdf/AccessForms.pdf Jeff H or Maryann or anyone who is looking for info, please submit this form (OPRA) to the boro. You can ask for minutes, emails, documents, etc.


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